Battlefields after a decisive win might be littered with the stuff. There are also descriptions of how light troops like peltasts and cavalry really came into their own only when pursuing burdened hoplites, who are also described as shedding their expensive armor in a usually vain attempt to escape. I suppose it's possible that some fought naked, but they must have been really stupid - and whatever city they were in must have been stupid too, to make him a hoplite instead of some auxiliary.Īlso, while many contemporary depictions show naked hoplites, they usually tend to be one-on-ones or some other "heroic" image a lot of vases - including many of those that show more than one hoplite - show them in, yessiree, a helmet, tunic, and greaves. Nevertheless, the archaelogical evidence strongly supports that such equipment was predominantly worn.īesides, its your butt out there - if you can't afford the armor, don't fight as a hoplite, be a peltast or something! It's true that all hoplites did not wear a Corinthian helmet, greaves, and a breastplate - probably because they had to pay for their equipment. No offense InvaderCanuck, but your attitude seems to be "I know I'm right because I read somewhere that hoplites might have fought naked." It's quite off-putting. It would make sense to atleast have something covering your genetials when everyone is walking around with long spears.The helmets for sure are, I don't know about the robe though - a tunic was much more likely. I believe the spartans in RTW are pretty accurate, the ones in RTR even more so. org people who lurk here, maybe I can dig up my old. Im looking for actual historians and grogs, who may have access to the historical periodicals I am looking for. However, reality is far from the modern portrayal of Hoplites.
HOPLITE SHIELD REFRENCE FULL
Just because you like to think that Hoplites fought with a corinthian helmet, full greaves and a breast plate is fine and dandy. This brings me to my next point.Ħ) This is not a thread for Laymen. The most likely source for such information will be historical periodicals and such. The problem is finding this information in sources that are citable. The fact is, this information is coming out, the problem isnt in reading about it or learning about it. Historians by nature are generally "Old guard".
HOPLITE SHIELD REFRENCE UPDATE
You do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize the update of historical information is not quick, nor is it forcoming. They fought without armor and only shield helmet and spear, with varying degrees of clothing. The newest ideas suggest Hoplites in the later periods did fight naked, or close to it. See Osprey.ĥ) Comerade Alexeo, the idea that Hoplites portrayed on art as naked to be more heroic is a belief that is ancient. Tunics usually worn, pants were optional. The spear was weilded in an overhand thrusting action. The Hoplon protected the Hoplite, from the knee up to the shoulder. Conical Helmet, Shield, Tunic and Spear, junk hanging out was up to the individual.Ĥ) Eric, the sensitive parts were never exposed. Spartans no longer wore armor as of 500BCE. Armor in the later periods was sacrificed. The faster you can close to your enemy the better, the faster you close and not be exhausted is even more important. When the enemy you are fighting is lightly armored, and moving away from you quickly peppering you with projectiles, armor becomes a death trap. Lateral movement was not important, rather forward movement.
Mobility was possible with the Greek Phalanx, and eventually became key. Suffice to say, the Greek Phalanx had virtually nothing in common with the Macedonian Phalanx. The differences too great to explain here. This is simply untrue.ģ) Freddie, please do not confuse the Macedonian Phalanx with the Greek Phalanx. Osprey dipicts Spartans armorless, ass bared in somecases.Ģ) This is not so much a question of Hoplites fighting naked, but rather the antiquated idea that Hoplites ALWAYS fought with a Corinthian helmet, greaves and a breast plate.
Osprey is probably the most authentic dipictor of historical correctness out there. 1) I am looking for relevent written sources.
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